Michael Calore: OK. There’s a lot of lingo.
Boone Ashworth: I had a lot of coffee today, and that actually really helped.
Manisha Krishnan: It did calm me down a little bit, but, yeah, I was honestly struggling to follow his instruction because of the jargon he was using.
Michael Calore: Yeah. So the lift-out procedure, I think, correct me if I’m wrong, but this is The Monroe Institute’s big thing. The thing that they teach through their meditative practices and these tapes is out-of-body experiences. So you can actually leave your corporeal form and hover and watch yourself meditate.
Boone Ashworth: That sounds dope.
Michael Calore: And examine the world around you from a different perspective.
Manisha Krishnan: Yeah, that sounds very useful, actually.
Michael Calore: It does.
Boone Ashworth: Kind of like a mirror, but right above you. Yeah.
Michael Calore: Yes, exactly.
Boone Ashworth: More than just the sounds. So it’s the people who are enrolling in this program and why. Their participant pool has really increased since 2022, I think. Military service people, psychonauts, meditators, it surprised me to read that the military’s involvement with the institute goes way back. So what’s the story there?
Manisha Krishnan: So in the early 1980s during the Cold War and fears that Soviets had a psychic war for edge, the CIA and the Department of Defense sent US Army Lieutenant Colonel Wayne McDonnell to The Monroe Institute to see if this method could be useful for defense purposes. So essentially, to see if he could do remote viewing, which you could see why the military would want to be able to leave their bodies and spy. And so he wrote a report, and he said that there is a sound and rational basis to some of their methods in terms of physical science parameters for considering the gateway to be plausible in terms of its essential objectives. But about manifestation, he said, “Since our consciousness is the source of all reality, our thoughts have the power to influence the development of reality in time space, if those thoughts can be projected with adequate intensity.”
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